Podcasts

#49: Beyond Cages with Professor Justin Marceau

In this episode, Peter sits down with Professor Justin Marceau of the Sturm College of Law at the University of Denver. The two discuss Professor Marceau’s recent book Beyond Cages, which critiques the US animal rights movement’s historical emphasis on cruelty prosecutions and punishment, and questions the moral implications of promoting human incarceration while seeking animal liberation.

#48: Death Row Dog Named Punky Loses Last Appeal

February 7, 2020 In Episode 48, Peter & Camille discuss the case of Punky Santics, an Australian cattle dog on death row who lost a bid to appeal to Canada’s […]

#47: Interview with New Zealand’s Marcelo Rodriguez Ferrere

Happy new year! We’re excited to kick off 2020 by announcing that Paw & Order won a prestigious Best Podcast award from the Clawbies: Canadian Law Blog Awards.

In this episode, hosts Peter and Camille bring you the latest news on Bill 156, Ontario’s proposed ‘ag gag’ law, a huge win for vegans in the UK, and discuss the heartbreak of the Australia wildfires.

Then, Peter sits down with New Zealand animal law professor Marcelo Rodriguez Ferrere for a fascinating interview about the state of animal law in New Zealand.

#46: 12 Days of Christmas Holiday Special!

December 20, 2019 Welcome to the first-ever Paw & Order holiday special! Hosts Peter and Camille get into Santa mode in this episode, giving out animal law-themed “gifts” to people, […]

#45: Ag Gag Laws Come to Canada

December 6, 2019 Ag gag laws have come to Canada. In an effort to conceal animal cruelty on farms, some provinces have begun passing dangerous legislation designed to keep abuse […]

#44: Animal Law in Austria, with Martina Pluda

In Episode 44 of Paw & Order, Peter interviews Martina Pluda, animal law scholar and head of Four Paws International Austria. Martina recently spoke at the Canadian Animal Law Conference about some of the incredible legal progress for animals that she has made in Austria and Europe, and her interview is a must-listen. (But be warned, Canadian listeners will be envious of how much easier it is to pass new laws in Austria than it is here at home!)

#43: Ontario PAWS Act Brings in Public Animal Law Enforcement System

In Episode 43, hosts Peter and Camille discuss some big animal law news: Ontario is moving toward the country’s first fully-public animal welfare law enforcement system. Learn why the Provincial Animal Welfare Services (PAWS) Act, could hold real promise for animals, as the hosts go over the proposed legislation.

#42: Pet Custody Rules & Post-Conference Catch-Up

Hosts Peter and Camille catch up on the Canadian Animal Law Conference, Animal Justice’s recent court cases, and what the federal election results mean for animals. For our main segment, you’ll enjoy listening to an interview with Professor Jodi Lazare of

#41: Live from the Canadian Animal Law Conference!

Paw & Order is BACK! After taking a short break, we’re excited to bring you a live podcast episode, recorded at the inaugural Canadian Animal Law Conference in Halifax, Nova Scotia, on October 4.

Hosts Peter and Camille catch up on the news, then launch into a Q&A with Canadian law students committed to animal law, who attended the student day conference. There’s also a fun trivia game with prizes—a real chance to test your Paw & Order knowledge!

#40: Animal Law Clinics in Law Schools

It’s our back-t-o-school show! Peter and Camille discuss animal law clinics at U.S. law schools, and why it’s time for Canada to jump on the bandwagon. Many schools south of the border offer animal law clinics, including two at Lewis & Clark, a new one at Harvard, and Michigan State—all providing incredible learning opportunities for students, and resulting in meaningful work that helps advance animal protection.

#39: Tragic BC Case Means More Dogs Will Face Death Row

The main topic is the tragic new British Columbia case of R v Santics, which dealt with a dog named Punky who was sentenced to death after Vancouver city enforcement officials decided he was a dangerous dog. Tragically, the B.C. Court of Appeal upheld a decision to kill Punky, and said the future courts no longer have the ability to impose interim measures for so-called dangerous dogs like muzzling, tethering, and training. Now, if a dog is determined to be dangerous, the judge has no choice but to impose a death sentence. Camille & Peter discuss why this case is terrible for dogs, and why dog legislation in Canada needs a major overhaul.

#38: Would You Break a Window to Rescue a Dog From a Hot Car? Listen to This First.

Camille and Peter discuss the summertime epidemic of dogs being left in hot cars, including the laws used to prosecuted those who do so, and the potential legal jeopardy faced by a Good Samaritan in Canada who decides to break a window to rescue a dog at risk.

#37: Learning From the Past, Looking to the Future With the Canadian Animal Law Conference

In Episode 37 of Paw & Order, Camille and Peter catch up on the six horse deaths in Calgary Stampede chuckwagon races (get ready for a lengthy discussion of whether rodeo events are illegal), a great column on why the Stampede needs to ditch animal events, golf course staff running down Canada geese with a golf cart in Edmonton, the fur industry’s paid protesters in California, and the CFIA’s effort to quash a lawsuit about cruel horse transport practices. Camille also sits down with law professor Jodi Lazare of the Schulich School of Law at Dalhousie University, for chat about the upcoming Canadian Animal Law Conference and its stellar line-up of speakers.

#36: Time to Stamp out Rodeo Cruelty at the Calgary Stampede

In Episode 36 of Paw & Order, Camille is joined by our show producer Shannon Milling, who gets to sit in the co-host chair for a change. Camille and Shannon discuss the start of the Calgary Stampede, which features cruel and torturous rodeo events. Nearly 100 animals have died at the Stampede in the last few decades. Find out why chuckwagon racing, steer wrestling, calf roping, and bronco- and bull-riding and other rodeo events are unjustifiably cruel events, and arguably illegal.